Comments on: Is “$20 & Under” the New Low-End for Wine? http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/ grand cru geekery Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:47:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-154 Jeff Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:58:49 +0000 http://www.vinegeek.com/?p=1074#comment-154 The Kung Fu Girl riesling is great...very good, especially for the price. I think part of the reason why they have an under 20$ range instead of something more specific is that prices vary according to what individual states have in place for the three-tier system. 5$ wine in California is a better quality level than 5$ wine elsewhere. For example, I'm originally from Seattle, but I live in LA now. Perrin Cotes du Rhone from 07 is $6.99 at Trader Joes here--an awesome deal. In Seattle, the same wine is $9.99 on sale at the grocery store (QFC), and probably more in other places. I would venture to guess that it's probably as much as 12.99$ not on sale. Inching closer to the 20$ mark, they probably are recommending a lot of wine that is 15$ish in California, but maybe closer to 20$ someplace like Washington. The Kung Fu Girl riesling is great…very good, especially for the price. I think part of the reason why they have an under 20$ range instead of something more specific is that prices vary according to what individual states have in place for the three-tier system. 5$ wine in California is a better quality level than 5$ wine elsewhere. For example, I’m originally from Seattle, but I live in LA now. Perrin Cotes du Rhone from 07 is $6.99 at Trader Joes here–an awesome deal. In Seattle, the same wine is $9.99 on sale at the grocery store (QFC), and probably more in other places. I would venture to guess that it’s probably as much as 12.99$ not on sale. Inching closer to the 20$ mark, they probably are recommending a lot of wine that is 15$ish in California, but maybe closer to 20$ someplace like Washington.

]]> By: admin http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-153 admin Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:26:32 +0000 http://www.vinegeek.com/?p=1074#comment-153 Thanks for the comments. I agree that there is so much good stuff under $20. That's why I just wish they made some distinctions within that range. Given the economy, a guide entirely devoted to under $20 wines might sell better. $10 and under, $11-15, $16-20. Thanks for naming some of your value finds as well. The Rhone certainly delivers. I've been wanting to try some of Charles Smith's wines, too. Almost picked up the Kung Fu Girl Riesling last week. Thanks for the comments. I agree that there is so much good stuff under $20. That’s why I just wish they made some distinctions within that range. Given the economy, a guide entirely devoted to under $20 wines might sell better. $10 and under, $11-15, $16-20.

Thanks for naming some of your value finds as well. The Rhone certainly delivers. I’ve been wanting to try some of Charles Smith’s wines, too. Almost picked up the Kung Fu Girl Riesling last week.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-152 Jeff Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:59:50 +0000 http://www.vinegeek.com/?p=1074#comment-152 Oh, by the way, sorry...got carried away with ranting. I would check out just about any Cotes du Rhone under 10$ from 05, 06, or 07 (some faves are Perrin, La Ferme Julian, Chateau Saint Cosme, but let's be honest...there are way more than that and they are 75% good at least...probably all are a better value than most California Cab), anything under 10$ from Jorge Ordonez (check out Costco), Hecula from Bodegas Castano (imported by Eric Solomon), anything from an off the wall region (can't charge more for something that all the rubes aren't comfortable buying just as a general rule of thumb), Hogue Riesling from Washington (only 6$), anything from Charles Smith of K Vintners (Generally under 15$)...there's so much stuff under 20$ it's unbelievable. In most of the world, where wine drinking is a DAILY thing, and part of the culture, there's palatable, and often fantastic wine, for a way smaller cost than our brand-centric, consumerist culture. Oh, by the way, sorry…got carried away with ranting. I would check out just about any Cotes du Rhone under 10$ from 05, 06, or 07 (some faves are Perrin, La Ferme Julian, Chateau Saint Cosme, but let’s be honest…there are way more than that and they are 75% good at least…probably all are a better value than most California Cab), anything under 10$ from Jorge Ordonez (check out Costco), Hecula from Bodegas Castano (imported by Eric Solomon), anything from an off the wall region (can’t charge more for something that all the rubes aren’t comfortable buying just as a general rule of thumb), Hogue Riesling from Washington (only 6$), anything from Charles Smith of K Vintners (Generally under 15$)…there’s so much stuff under 20$ it’s unbelievable. In most of the world, where wine drinking is a DAILY thing, and part of the culture, there’s palatable, and often fantastic wine, for a way smaller cost than our brand-centric, consumerist culture.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-151 Jeff Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:51:16 +0000 http://www.vinegeek.com/?p=1074#comment-151 I could spend way more on wine if I wanted to...I'm a DINK. As in dual income, no kids. But I think that misses the point. There's lots of great stuff in the sub-$20 range if you know what you're looking for. The problem with these guides, and with the majority of consumers, is that they want what's familiar--ie Mondavi, Kendall Jackson Chardonnay (the number 1 selling wine in America), California, et al. And since those wines are shit values, but predictable, familiar, and easy to charge a lot of money for, there is a lot of crap that can be lumped into that category, and there are a lot of what I would consider rubes (including the F&W editors) that think 20$ for a shit bottle of wine is a great value. I don't want to get all holier than thou--I mean, if that's what people want give it to them, who am I to say what I like is superior...but leave the good stuff for me. I could spend way more on wine if I wanted to…I’m a DINK. As in dual income, no kids. But I think that misses the point. There’s lots of great stuff in the sub-$20 range if you know what you’re looking for. The problem with these guides, and with the majority of consumers, is that they want what’s familiar–ie Mondavi, Kendall Jackson Chardonnay (the number 1 selling wine in America), California, et al. And since those wines are shit values, but predictable, familiar, and easy to charge a lot of money for, there is a lot of crap that can be lumped into that category, and there are a lot of what I would consider rubes (including the F&W editors) that think 20$ for a shit bottle of wine is a great value. I don’t want to get all holier than thou–I mean, if that’s what people want give it to them, who am I to say what I like is superior…but leave the good stuff for me.

]]> By: admin http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-150 admin Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:47:00 +0000 http://www.vinegeek.com/?p=1074#comment-150 I would think even people with average to above average incomes would have a threshold below $20 probably $10-12 or $15. Care to share any favorites you've found in the $7 range? I've liked the Charamba Douro reds and various Vinho Verde wines around that price point. Go Portugal! I would think even people with average to above average incomes would have a threshold below $20 probably $10-12 or $15.

Care to share any favorites you’ve found in the $7 range? I’ve liked the Charamba Douro reds and various Vinho Verde wines around that price point. Go Portugal!

]]> By: Mike K http://www.vinegeek.com/2009/10/is-under-20-the-new-low-end-for-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-149 Mike K Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:38:59 +0000 http://www.vinegeek.com/?p=1074#comment-149 For me, it is only for special circumstances that I will purchase a bottle in excess of $20. We drink wine daily in our house - on average two adults share 1 bottle per day. We budget approximately $7/bottle for everyday wine purchases. If you're interested in our demographics, I would say that our income is slightly below average for a household with two working adults (no kids). I agree that the categories in the F&W Guide are rather unrealistic for ordinary people, but I don't think that's their target market, either. For me, it is only for special circumstances that I will purchase a bottle in excess of $20. We drink wine daily in our house – on average two adults share 1 bottle per day. We budget approximately $7/bottle for everyday wine purchases. If you’re interested in our demographics, I would say that our income is slightly below average for a household with two working adults (no kids). I agree that the categories in the F&W Guide are rather unrealistic for ordinary people, but I don’t think that’s their target market, either.

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